tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1417695962027703953.post6620938068623415059..comments2023-07-22T06:31:36.200-04:00Comments on WebSphere Community Blog: The facts of RADTerry Bleizefferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14053000030795260150noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1417695962027703953.post-86878315861793242732008-12-03T10:41:00.000-05:002008-12-03T10:41:00.000-05:00Eric;Great note that encompasses a lot of people's...Eric;<BR/><BR/>Great note that encompasses a lot of people's current frustrations. This is precisely why we created MyEclipse Blue and are glad you are finding value.<BR/><BR/>Also of note, you may be interested to know that MyEclipse has recently <A HREF="http://www.myeclipseide.com/Article83.html" REL="nofollow">partnered with Databorough</A> to provide specific support moving forward for shops in the System i realm, as it appears you are.<BR/><BR/>We are happy to help you in any way during your transitory period. Please do not hesitate to drop me a line if you have any questions, concerns or comments.<BR/><BR/>Best,<BR/>Jens<BR/>MyEclipse<BR/>jensATgenuitec.comjeckelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03130053658320073829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1417695962027703953.post-13680832258751220012008-12-03T08:31:00.000-05:002008-12-03T08:31:00.000-05:00We are in the System i arena where the entry versi...We are in the System i arena where the entry version of WebSphere IDE used to be included in the development kit for years. Now IBM is changing their pricing model so we start to pay for our dev envrionment piece by piece. We will end-up paying over 5000$ per programmer while already had paid for dev licenses a long while ago. Software maintenance contracts (BTW the most expansive on the market) are supposed to keep us abreast the latest technology, but this time, with this pricing structure change, we need to pay just as we were new customer, while we've been around IBM for 30 years. This is very (with capital, underline, bold, blinking caracters please) FRUSTRATING. We actually feel betrayed by whom we gave all of our confidence for years. IBM offers some conversion programs to alleviate the weight of bucks, but this is only standing for the System i particular tooling (e.g. RPG or COBOL dev) therefore, far unsufficient. Currently, my rep is battling with IBM to get a special bid for RAD, but let's get logical: at 149$/year MyEclipse Blue is ridiculously affordable. Why this huge step in value while both RAD and MyEclipse deviver the same (at least mostly) thing. Is IBM gave away WDSc for too long and now trying to recover their investment. This is what I call: "Post dumping damage control". George Farr, the Rational Manager, has been asked to make the product line profitable, but why trying to make big money with fewer customers? Could maybe make more with cheaper products with a broader customer community, no? I believe so. IBM is completely disconnected from the SMB's reality where we have to make miracles with a pair of hinges and a knive. Microsoft has understood that a long while ago. Full feature Visual Studio is around 1500$. So why a supposingly competitive product costs three times MS alternative? MyEclipse is definitively appearing like our only solution.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1417695962027703953.post-22413591447059013692008-11-19T09:52:00.000-05:002008-11-19T09:52:00.000-05:00I share the concerns about RAD in this forum. I do...I share the concerns about RAD in this forum. I don't blame IBM to create prodcut line for a sustainable revenue model. No doubt for WebSphere it is the best IDE. But definitely it is for rich companies (we can argue that WebSphere is also for rich companies). But I don't think it gives a good value per dollar spent because you need to spend more money to get better hardware to run RAD (check its hardware requirements), even with 4 gig RAM and latest processor the RAD is slow, it is always a year behind with respect to JDK version, JEE version, and support of new tools or frameworks.<BR/>To worst part is the upgrade process is painful. Since RAD is locked down with WebSphere, the IT department procures new version of RAD only when EOL of WebSphere used in the company is approaching. And I don't blame them as they have to shell out money to get next version of RAD. At the end the company loses because developer can't explore new features or trends as half of the time RAD will not support that. I wish IBM would spend more effort on releasing frequent new minor versions which will not cut deep into pockets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1417695962027703953.post-85607567892468252922008-09-20T12:24:00.000-04:002008-09-20T12:24:00.000-04:00I would like to ask Tim if RAD has dropped the Vis...I would like to ask Tim if RAD has dropped the Visualizer for C++ which was available in WSAD 6.0.. and, if so, why?<BR/>I have been looking at RAD 7.0 and 7.5, but the UML visualizer for C++ seem to be disabled.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1417695962027703953.post-30726501671206263742008-05-05T12:23:00.000-04:002008-05-05T12:23:00.000-04:00how I can use the performance monitoring/profile t...how I can use the performance monitoring/profile tools on a was deployed web app using RAD 7.0? Please help me by sending the related URL to kulamrazool@gmail.com.<BR/>Thanks.syed razoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02025764425077103997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1417695962027703953.post-77885436649160474972008-02-20T10:03:00.000-05:002008-02-20T10:03:00.000-05:00Doug;If you are really interested in what MyEclips...Doug;<BR/><BR/>If you are really interested in what MyEclipse Blue Edition looks like in action, I would like to invite you to a <A HREF="https://www1.gotomeeting.com/register/803133583" REL="nofollow">free Webinar we are broadcasting tomorrow</A> (Thursday the 21st). <BR/><BR/><B>Best of all: attendees will be offered a free one-year license of MyEclipse Blue Edition for attending and filling out a short follow-up survey.</B><BR/><BR/>We hope to see you there!<BR/><BR/>Best,<BR/>Jensjeckelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03130053658320073829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1417695962027703953.post-19003876512699836912008-02-19T20:14:00.000-05:002008-02-19T20:14:00.000-05:00Jense, this is not a change in policy for IBM. Our...Jense, this is not a change in policy for IBM. Our organization started working with Visual Age for Java 3.5 7 years ago. Because we pay support we were given free upgrades to WebSphere Studio Application Developer 4. We have continued upgrading for free until we are now using Rational Application Developer 7.<BR/><BR/>The support fees, while not dirt cheap, are within reason for enterprise class tools. IBM has always been very good with upgrades ,and in some cases trade ins for new tools, when old ones are retired like Visual Age was.<BR/><BR/>I am following with interest, the development of MyEclipse Blue, but for now I think we'll stick with RAD.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Doug OlenderAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1417695962027703953.post-16975971488044283342008-02-18T19:42:00.000-05:002008-02-18T19:42:00.000-05:00Tim,Free upgrade is good. I honestly think RAD sho...Tim,<BR/><BR/>Free upgrade is good. <BR/><BR/>I honestly think RAD should be free. Any cost incurred in RAD could be charged aginst web sphere app server licensing costs. <BR/><BR/>I dont see a point in tightly coupling RAD & WAS versions [and charging for upgrades at either end].<BR/><BR/><BR/>RS KumarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1417695962027703953.post-25314412649569713002008-02-18T12:37:00.000-05:002008-02-18T12:37:00.000-05:00Tim; Thank you for your recent welcome to the part...Tim;<BR/> <BR/>Thank you for your recent welcome to the party in the public sphere.<BR/> <BR/>As you can undoubtedly appreciate, we choose our words very carefully when referencing companies that have more employees in their public relations department than all the employees in our organization. We are thereby careful to assure our public comments are neither misinformed nor misleading. Our statements are simply the reflection of several calls with our combined customers that are looking to upgrade to Websphere 6.1 and are having to make a number of design and runtime decisions, while being presented a multi-million dollar quote to move from WSAD to RAD. Taking out all the superlatives out of these conversation, they all boil down to the following sentiment: <BR/> <BR/>"I'm tired of being told what to do, being locked into a single vendor solution and having to pay through the nose for it." <BR/> <BR/>We hear from our mutual customers that they are not happy with the fact that they have previously paid several millions for WSAD (a few years ago). However, since WSAD end-of-life was effective as of September 2006 (http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/woolf?entry=wsad_5_1_support_ends), these companies are looking to implement a number of technologies (i.e. SOA, Ajax, ...) and web services standards (i.e. WS-N, WS-I BSP, WS-BA, ...) that are only offered through Websphere 6.1 and Rational 7.x To do so, they have to upgrade their application infrastructure to WebSphere 6.1 and development tools to Rational 7.x , all at a significant premium. <BR/> <BR/>However, your blog suggests that these customers no longer have to pay for RAD 7 if they were upgrading from WSAD or an earlier version of RAD. If indeed this constitutes a policy reversal on the part of IBM that has not been made public until now, we know for certain that such a decision will make several of our combined customers incredibly happy - especially considering the tough economic times. We would like to be the first to pass on this information to them.<BR/> <BR/>Second, I encourage you to re-read our press release and publicity materials regarding the availability of MyEclipse Blue. We never presented the Blue edition as a replacement for RAD. Rather, our strategy and messaging for MyEclipse Blue concentrates on providing developers the broadest developer technology tool coverage - including many technologies not available from RAD (See our feature list). In addition, we release MyEclipse at 10X - 15x the historical rate for WSAD or RAD. So, since MyEclipse is priced at 30x cheaper than RAD, our combined customers can easily divide their staff between MyEclipse and RAD based on design and run-time concerns and save a great deal of money at the same time.<BR/> <BR/>No matter what, WebSphere customers are served to the fullest with the most appropriate tools for the job at hand, whether best served by RAD or MyEclipse Blue Edition. I don't see how any of this information is bad news to our mutual customer base.<BR/><BR/>-Jens<BR/>MyEclipsejeckelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03130053658320073829noreply@blogger.com